Asians in Asia cannot be relied on for media representation


  • Level 1 - Sergeant

    This Japanese guy (which again, marks another Japanese on a similar topic) defends the non-Asian cast

    The reasoning used is the same as any other excuse for VA’s. The best voice actor should get the role. Except it NEVER HAPPENS THAT WAY. It’s just another excuse to use all white VA’s. This time, people are getting really sick of it and Kubo is bombing in theaters right now. Aloha, a movie that actually had a hapa role go to a full white actress, also bombed in a similar fashion.

    In one of ThatJapaneseManYuta’s videos, Japanese defend the casting of non-Asian actors in Ghost In the Shell. They even go as far and say that they prefer a white actor/actress.

    Ultimately what it comes down to is this:

    • Asians in Asia live in 99% Asian populated countries. Racial discrimination doesn’t exist for them.
    • Asians in Asia have no problem with representation of their own.
    • With no racial discrimination present, Asians in Asia lack racial awareness and do not even know when they are being discriminated against. For example, in Yuta’s video, it literally had to be spelled out to them that Asians were discriminated against and race played a factor. But in the end, they didn’t care. If Asian-Americans were as indifferent as Japanese we’d have absolutely nothing. The crazy part is that we’re really close to that.
    • Asians in Asia do not live here. They do not know or sympathize with our struggles. If you throw nationality hatred in there, it’s even worse.

    Excluding self-hating PAA trash, I’d say that Asians in America are stronger than Asians in Asia. Some of us are involuntary celibate but that doesn’t take away the fact that we’re thrown enormous abuse and we’re still standing. The relative safety of Asian society leads to spoiled, entitled people who squabble about insignificant shit meanwhile, western Asians like us know that whites want to essentially mix and delete Asia from the rest of the world. We’re actually the front lines to stop that from happening b/c we actually know wtf is going on and what people are saying. Asians in Asia owe US a debt of gratitude. Not the other way around.


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    @suiko_no_shin

    Let’s stop talking about what we should or should not do and just do it. I have my path, and you have yours.

    Agreed.


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    I wholeheartedly agree that the white-worship in Asia is very real and it’s quite sickening. However I attribute that mostly to naivete. They don’t live with whites on a daily basis so they have no idea how whites truly view them. Which is why I think it’s good to educate them (not just for our sake but for theirs as well). I have a friend who’s been doing some translation work (from stuff on Aznidentity and elsewhere) for those in China to read and based on some of the responses he received, it did seem that naivete is mostly the reason for white worship. When they read some of his stuff, they thanked him for the info and some even stated they had no idea about the prejudice that whites hold against them until now. So for now, I completely agree that Asians in Asia can’t be relied on for our representation just yet. But I’m pretty optimistic. If we can educate them, things may change.


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    I already know about that (I know about a lot of things lmao). Like I said, if you want to work with them, then get close to them, get educated and start speaking out. Otherwise you’re not really saying anything to me right now. Work with them and do what exactly? What are your plans? Who are you going to talk to? Don’t get me wrong. I’m not being negative. I’m being real. So far all I’ve heard is lip service.

    Meanwhile, I’ve given you techniques on how to get close to influential figures, how to position yourself so that you are seen by the right people, and how to get your message across so that no one else can contest you. You can use this to do some work right now in America where we actually need you. You gotta show up to where an Asian voice is needed and where the right message being delivered is crucial. We have the correct message. Not PAA’s. If you’re not there to deliver it then PAA’s get to say whatever they want and control the narrative. You cannot let that happen. Think back to HyperMasculAzns. We all had to be there.

    Right now I feel that our most important work is done here. Chinese will do what they do best regardless of what anybody else is doing. We have to ensure that we get our message across to these companies and make sure that they use Asian talent responsibly (leading to Chinese talent being properly utilized). We have to keep an eye into politics and make sure that they don’t do anything that could harm Asians, or educate them on what they can do to help. We’re sort of creating a “soft landing” for them to fall back on but at the same time, we’re improving lives for ourselves here.

    Let’s stop talking about what we should or should not do and just do it. I have my path, and you have yours. I’m not blind to your idea. Keep in mind that your idea was accepted and adopted by myself the entire time I was on Aznidentity. I realize that later on, it wasn’t where my talents were best utilized. I have to focus on Asian Americans and that’s what I’ve been doing. I’ve been very active in August and I was in places you wouldn’t even think. For example on Gamefaqs, there was a thread on the Mongols being cut out of Civ 6 as well as a recent thread on Dead or Alive Xtreme 3’s VR mode allowed gamers to gawk at the girls and even interact w/ them (seen as sexual harassment). So you bet that I was there to point out that white males who developed Civ 6 put in 70% white and those whites were also complicit in murder/rape. I was there to explain the cultural differences and crime statistics for Japan. Why a game like DOAX3 works for Japan but not here.

    Do you realize that just those two things alone (and that doesn’t even touch on the other places I’ve been), provided more awareness to 100’s of people where there were none? Gamers there didn’t know that japanese society ostracizes you for buying games like that. They just think that Japan doesn’t give a damn about SJW’s and they’re right, but they didnt understand the nuances, in this case, the culture. I was also there for Kubo and the whole fiasco w/ non-Asian VA’s. Other Asians managed to speak up for us and they did a good job, so my opinion wasn’t as needed.


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    @secondstrike

    Check this out.

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    Wang’s ultimate goal, he said during the recent interview, is to “change the world where rules are set by foreigners.” In other words, Chinese should make the final calls.
     
    He also criticized Chinese people who go to Disneyland, using an idiom that means “to be crazy about foreign things and obsequious to foreigners,” adding that “the once-glorified Disneyland is part of the past.”
     
    Wang embarked on a frantic acquisition spree four years ago and has not slowed down since. He is now worth $30 billion, after spending $2.6 billion for the world’s second-biggest theater group AMC in 2012, $52 million for a 20% stake in Spanish soccer team Atletico Madrid in January 2015, and $3.5 billion for Hollywood film studio Legendary Entertainment a year later, among other deals.

    China’s richest man, Wanda Group CEO Wang Jianlin, has declared war on Disneyland — Quartz:
    http://qz.com/768740/chinas-richest-man-wanda-group-ceo-wang-jianlin-has-declared-war-on-disneyland/

    It’s possible that he’s appealing to Chinese nationalism for personal gain. However, it makes no difference since our goals align. I see this is a major gain and why I think working with them is better than going solo.


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    In this thread:
    http://antiwesterncosplayers.blogspot.com/2016/03/asian-guys-appreciate-girls-most-and.html

    this is what I said, and watch the following reaction:
    white

    While I was outright hostile to white people (and it’s not something to be done when aiming towards bigger audiences), my second comment proved that Asian men had a far lower rape statistic while white men had a much higher rate. I also alluded to how the 3.3 number seems low but is actually bigger than it is b/c whites are 62% of the population. When it’s shown that certain races are definitively better or worse, it knocks out “everyone does it”.

    Here’s another thread, this one has to do w/ gaming but watch how I destroy the guy’s argument and then he tries to undermine me by using useless troll comments (I’m randomoaf btw), start on Maverick’s post and go from there. Main argument is between me and him:
    http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/916373-pc/74198801?page=6

    then I made a thread here and sealed the deal
    http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/74203670

    Obviously don’t be as hostile as me lol! Asian issues always gets me over emotional and on the gaming board, those trolls have gotten me to a point where I just don’t care anymore. You’ll notice on the 2nd thread, people are just really pissed off at me even though they knew I was right.


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    On the first point, I used performance metrics and databases. If they told me what CPU/GPU was better or worse, I would check benchmarks and see how it stacked up. Often people would use brand to make a point that something is better but this doesn’t work for obvious reasons. What won out in the end was facts. Sometimes you’ll be challenged by different perspectives and in that case you have to know the nuances. Do not dismiss the nuances b/c when you make your case, people will have questions and will try to poke holes or even bring down your argument.

    On the second point, my comments had merit for a variety of reasons. They were demonstrable, applicable, observable, and came from a place of deep understanding.

    On the third point, talk DIRECTLY to people of influence. On social media, I follow relevant people and I RESPOND appropriately. Even if they might not have time to reply back, throw your two cents in and show them that you know more than the average person. Don’t just tweet stuff at them. Read their comment first and then respond.

    Don’t be the average person. For example if a female celebrity posts an instagram photo or any kind of photo, never comment on how beautiful she is. She gets a 1000’s of replies. Instead, make an observation and comment on something nobody else would think to notice. There’s this actress that played on Legends of Tomorrow and she was commenting on how she was no longer a part of the show. So what I did was tell her how much I enjoyed her performance/portrayal of the character and was sad to see her go. She knows she is beautiful but acknowledging her skills as an actress means more. After that, I’ve interacted w/ her on random every day stuff. If I wasn’t banned from twitter I’d still be following her lol

    It’s all about establishing yourself as someone who knows what they’re talking about and is fun/pleasant to talk to.


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    @suiko_no_shin

    engaged everybody and I proved them all wrong. Did I make enemies out of most people on that board? Yes, but good thing is that competition is more balanced, leading to better more reasonably priced products. Not only that, I managed to create a trend creating gaming capable PC’s with a lower budget. There are YT series and videos to this day.

    Not only did I change that board, but other communities, industry people, journalists/bloggers (which in turn affects their articles that influence way more people than just 1 msg board can do). Before I did tech, I did gaming with Sony (and to a much lesser extent, MS). There was also a stint at Blizzard which most of my core ideas turned it into a 9/10 in which they heavily profited from

    I knew how to stand out, cut the BS, and say something that means something. This exact strategy works on everybody. Politicians, journalists, industry employees, you name it. I’ve had debates, feuds, arguments with journalists, executives, YT’ers (the big ones, not random people).

    Sounds like you influenced a lot of people. Did you have any specific strategies and/or tactics that worked? I figured if it worked for you, volunteers here can just adapt them.


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    @secondstrike said in Asians in Asia cannot be relied on for media representation:

    @suiko_no_shin That sounds great. Did you have any specific strategies? I’m currently chunking up my exposes and will be spreading it with a program.

    what are you referring to?


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    @suiko_no_shin That sounds great. Did you have any specific strategies? I’m currently chunking up my exposes and will be spreading it with a program.


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    @secondstrike said in Asians in Asia cannot be relied on for media representation:

    If one of the big countries can be convinced then translation and spreading it from there wouldn’t be that difficult. It’s not like we have to do everything by ourselves.

    You still have to generate the massive following to reach people enough so that it’s common place even among people who don’t.

    Perhaps they were ignorant? Perhaps they thought they should learn from the “best” without understanding the subversive nature of Western media? Really should stop instantly jumping to the conclusion of “they want nothing to do with us” based on a few observations.

    I’m not saying they don’t want nothing to do with us. I’m saying that we are disconnected and that disconnection is what prevents Asians in Asia and Asian-Americans from sympathizing. If you don’t see that this is a massive undertaking then I don’t know what else to say except you are living in a dream land. The Great Wall was an example and AznI has not even mobilized to reach out to Chinese. So at this point in time, what I’m proposing has more basis in reality than what you’re saying.

    Putting stuff on social media and forums, and representing well individually only helps in a limited way. The big ideas gain traction through institutions.

    Helping in a limited way is not true. From one CORNER of the internet, among infested trolls brainwashed to think that two companies are the only way and only products. With only the facts and the knowledge on my side, I was able to influence entire corporations (Intel, Nvidia, AMD) and it took AMD from an all time low in 2015 to very positive product launches in 2016 with more anticipation for 2017 in terms of CPU’s. I’ve dealt with dumb people, fake people, brainwashing, brainwashed individuals, other smart people and there was even hidden industry people posing as regular users. I engaged everybody and I proved them all wrong. Did I make enemies out of most people on that board? Yes, but good thing is that competition is more balanced, leading to better more reasonably priced products. Not only that, I managed to create a trend creating gaming capable PC’s with a lower budget. There are YT series and videos to this day.

    It took me one year and it was not easy. There’s a lot less brainwashed people now and there’s more objective people. Like, what’s the performance/specs of this thing, how much does it cost, how much in relation to other products in it’s price range, how does it perform in that range, and so on. Not only did I change that board, but other communities, industry people, journalists/bloggers (which in turn affects their articles that influence way more people than just 1 msg board can do). Before I did tech, I did gaming with Sony (and to a much lesser extent, MS). There was also a stint at Blizzard which most of my core ideas turned it into a 9/10 in which they heavily profited from (except they screwed us PC gamers, the ones who were providing a free design team pretty much). The odd part is that people knew me even when I switched names (people were making money and gaining social status off of my stuff so I changed names). When I said goodbye, people knew exactly who I was.

    Don’t even talk to me about social media lol! I tweeted to celebrities all the time and have gotten likes back when nobody else has. Celebrities get a ton of tweets but they’re always the same. I knew how to stand out, cut the BS, and say something that means something. This exact strategy works on everybody. Politicians, journalists, industry employees, you name it. I’ve had debates, feuds, arguments with journalists, executives, YT’ers (the big ones, not random people). I had a mini-confrontation with John Cho. He asked about consoles, I had to condense my tweet to answer him, he clowned me and his followers sort of dogpiled. I clowned him back and that was that. I had one with William Shatner and Lucy Lawless as well.

    If you can’t influence the people working at those institutions then you’ve got nothing. You’ve got to be able to present your ideas, your ideas have to be challenged and your facts will have to win out. Right now, I can tell you that there is a definite lack of Asian-American representation in these spaces and not being there is like allowing those people to dictate how and where things will go. For example, with Kubo, the only Asian person in that particular conversation was the Japanese guy. If I did not step in and inform those people of how the lack of Asian VA affects Asian-Americans people would never know. They’d default to the Japanese guy where he said it’s okay b/c voice can be anybody. He doesn’t know the racism underneath. You can’t expect white people to see it.

    Activism is hard. It’s not an easy task. Yes, you will have to individually represent yourself. You may have to raise a family to create a new future for Asian Americans. You will have to study. You will have to engage people (non-Asians) and show them things from our perspective. This is what we have to do. If you feel that China is the answer then study Mandarin (download ChineseSkill from the Play Store) get your ass on Weibo/WeChat and start amassing followers. Start writing up material in Mandarin and spread it to your followers. My particular specialty is engaging people and communities, as well as media (gaming/movies/tv) so that’s what I do. Do what you believe is right, what you are good at and go from there.

    I get the feeling that you don’t want to be a visible example for society and I understand that. I escaped from that reality for 8 years. If you don’t want to be a living example, then channel your effort into areas where you don’t have to be visible and yes, what I’m doing is one of things you can do. Everything is all tied to each other. If you are a visible example, people talk and take that online. It gets spread. Pictures are taken. Topics are created in subs/forums and those ideas expand outwards and shared with other people outside the subs. Ideas can be used to live your life to be that visible example.


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    @suiko_no_shin

    So who is going to learn all those languages and not only generate a massive following in ONE country but MULTIPLE countries?

    If one of the big countries can be convinced then translation and spreading it from there wouldn’t be that difficult. It’s not like we have to do everything by ourselves.

    I don’t see them allying with Chinese-Americans.

    Perhaps they were ignorant? Perhaps they thought they should learn from the “best” without understanding the subversive nature of Western media? Really should stop instantly jumping to the conclusion of “they want nothing to do with us” based on a few observations.

    You have to take what you learned and start applying it towards other people rather than keep it in Asian forums and subs

    Putting stuff on social media and forums, and representing well individually only helps in a limited way. The big ideas gain traction through institutions.


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    @secondstrike said in Asians in Asia cannot be relied on for media representation:

    So, basically, they are oblivious. That can be fixed with education, which is why I don’t understand this whole throw everything away and do everything ourselves approach.

    So who is going to learn all those languages and not only generate a massive following in ONE country but MULTIPLE countries? The amount of work we have to do is ridiculously enormous compared to doing it ourselves which has a more immediate effect.

    How did you figure they have nothing to gain? Look at American soft power, they gained retarded amounts of benefits.

    They built that up themselves. They didn’t need help doing it. Likewise, China did it by avoiding the US. Chinese are working on getting their soft power but I don’t see them allying with Chinese-Americans. I don’t see them consulting Chinese-Americans when it came to movie-making or anything else they wanted to do here. They went straight to white people and deferred to them. As a result, you had people like Constance shout out whitewashing and Zhang Yimou had no idea what whitewashing even is. Chinese-Americans and Chinese are uncoordinated.

    This sounds great, but what will you realistically do?

    I’m gonna do what I do best. I’m going to go into the relevant communities, social media, etc and I’m going to slowly subv…I mean run PR as an Asian American. You have to take what you learned and start applying it towards other people rather than keep it in Asian forums and subs, or else your ideas will never be challenged and they will never be accepted. You can’t offend people either as you have to be PC about it.

    Beyond that, I want to create some soft power of my own. Bulk up, improve career, make new acquaintances, etc. You have to be the change that other people see. That gets them talking and some of those people even say it online. I do want to go further than that and get married, have kids so that my kids can grow up with the values I pass to them. I don’t see that being likely though b/c the loneliness and isolation have impaired my ability to make connections w/ other people. I’m just going to do whatever I can with what I have. That’s already more than 99% will do.


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    @suiko_no_shin

    Racial discrimination doesn’t exist for them.
    Asians in Asia have no problem with representation of their own.
    With no racial discrimination present
    Asians in Asia lack racial awareness and do not even know when they are being discriminated against.

    So, basically, they are oblivious. That can be fixed with education, which is why I don’t understand this whole throw everything away and do everything ourselves approach.

    They have nothing to gain by helping us or sympathizing with us. The same thing applies to Chinese as well and it all goes back around to the bullet points.

    How did you figure they have nothing to gain? Look at American soft power, they gained retarded amounts of benefits. They commit genocide and a lot of people think it’s freedom and democracy. Pedophiles and sexpats who should be beaten to death are treated with respect. At the very least, China would not fall prey so easily to demonization and its message would be taken more seriously. With more humanized portrayals, we would benefit instead of being seen as some sick subhuman race. You said kpop has helped a small niche. So clearly, it does work. The problem is scaling it. That can be improved. Try taking what works and tweaking it. The first battery prototypes were shit, but after many iterations.

     

    I’m not going to rely on somebody to do what I should be doing.

    This sounds great, but what will you realistically do?


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    @secondstrike said in Asians in Asia cannot be relied on for media representation:

    I think there’s a difference between being negative and being constructive. It seems to me that you tear idea/potentials down instead of identifying the weak points and fixing them.

    What I pointed out IS the weak point!! How much more evidence do you need?!? The two videos are right there in front of you. Random Japanese who are completely indifferent. They aren’t actually struggling with race issues OR representation! They have nothing to gain by helping us or sympathizing with us. The same thing applies to Chinese as well and it all goes back around to the bullet points. Their life in Asia and our life in America has made us different people. It’s pretty absurd to think that THEY will be OUR saviors. I’m not going to rely on somebody to do what I should be doing.

    As for Africans doing it by themselves. Just because they did it that way [I’m not sure about the entire history. I have seen claims that Jews aided them a lot], doesn’t mean we have to follow the same path. If kpop semi worked despite its flaws, I don’t see why we shouldn’t leverage the power of our home countries.

    Yes the Jews did help them. The NAACP was founded in part by Jews. Kpop worked but it’s so niche and so specific that it doesn’t even count. If you’re not Korean you’re out of the running. Koreans are more positively viewed in Korean enclaves (where they also have majority privilege) and you have to hope that the people you interact with have seen Kpop. That sounds like a crapshoot to me. Neither Japanese or Korean media has helped me personally.


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    @suiko_no_shin

    Cause if nobody takes a hard line stance

    I think there’s a difference between being negative and being constructive. It seems to me that you tear idea/potentials down instead of identifying the weak points and fixing them.

    As for Africans doing it by themselves. Just because they did it that way [I’m not sure about the entire history. I have seen claims that Jews aided them a lot], doesn’t mean we have to follow the same path. If kpop semi worked despite its flaws, I don’t see why we shouldn’t leverage the power of our home countries.


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    @secondstrike said in Asians in Asia cannot be relied on for media representation:

    @suiko_no_shin Can you try being less negative. I give you examples from a time when China had very little influence yet you brush it aside.

    I have to be negative. Cause if nobody takes a hard line stance, stare the truth right in front of it’s face and puts the foot down then nobody else is going to. What I posted was the truth. What I learned about being a truth teller my whole life is that people don’t like hearing it and will try to rationalize away b/c it’s more convenient for them. I’m immune to all that.

    Hollywood is not omnipotent that can make and break another country’s soft power [unless that country has no voice].

    Hollywood isn’t really the topic here as it is more about Asia. We cannot trust them to be our power and even if they do take over, there’s nothing that says we’ll get any benefit from it. The only thing that will help us in America is if we make it happen. Not Asians in Asia, not white people or anybody else. Blacks did this on their own. We have to do it as well. Hapas might end up taking over. Either way, Asian Americans are going to be the ones that sets things straight and makes the conditions easier for other Asians to move or work here.


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    @suiko_no_shin Can you try being less negative. I give you examples from a time when China had very little influence yet you brush it aside.

     

    Hollywood is not omnipotent that can make and break another country’s soft power [unless that country has no voice]. China hasn’t even done much to counter Western lies. So, yes, China is losing soft power battles but it’s like saying a boxer sucks because he loses while his hands are tied behind his back. Have you looked at the Pew Stats?

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    America’s Global Image Remains More Positive than China’s | Pew Research Center:
    http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/07/18/americas-global-image-remains-more-positive-than-chinas/ [page 3]

    The difference is not as big as you think it is. The difference in perceived personal freedom stands out and the main reason is due to Western propaganda that China sucks at fighting.


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    @secondstrike said in Asians in Asia cannot be relied on for media representation:

    What about Enter the Dragon, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Shaolin Soccer, Kung Fu Hustle, and Hero?

    What about them? Those came at a time when racism wasn’t shoved down our throats and there was a fad going on. That fad has been dead and hasn’t been back since. We live in a new generation now. Young people (such as the hipsters you see in commercials) who grew up with leftism and weren’t exposed to media such as this. Hollywood has ramped up the racism since then too.

    This sounds more like a leap. See above.

    Skiptrace and Great Wall. Next.


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    @suiko_no_shin

    China is going to find it very hard to sell to the American public without Americans

    What about Enter the Dragon, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Kung Fu Hustle, Hero, Life of Pi?

    Here’s the breakdown for Crouching Tiger

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    The logical conclusion is that they have to use Chinese people in addition to white people and that can’t be avoided.

    This sounds more like a leap. See above.

    Like I said, the calculations are different. The Chinese government cares about soft power as a strategic tool. If they deem the tool important enough, profit will get relegated to a secondary motive. Further, China’s Dalian Wanda Group brought AMC theater chain. It’s the second largest theater chain in America, which will give Chinese media more powerful reach.


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    @secondstrike said in Asians in Asia cannot be relied on for media representation:

    @suiko_no_shin Good points, but China is not Japan. As far as I know, they are not militarily occupied vassal states and their market is enormous to the point that they don’t need to cater to anyone. As long as the government is well-informed of what they are doing wrong and how to fix it, I have hope they will succeed and also influence other Asian nations to use similar strategies.

    China is going to find it very hard to sell to the American public without Americans (or people who look like them) being in it. Japan succeeded with anime and games b/c it’s animated and virtual. The logical conclusion is that they have to use Chinese people in addition to white people and that can’t be avoided. There’s nothing that we can do on our end (except throw our 2 cents in). They’ll run into the racism themselves and they’ll have to deal with it.

    As for Japan, they’re done.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/hapas/comments/504tck/wmaf_bmws_perception_toward_asian_korean_families/

    When you have a commercial with an old white man in a driverless car, passing by a hipster in a Japanese robe with a Japanese wife and kids, Japanese STILL don’t realize they are being subverted. They are done.


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    @suiko_no_shin Good points, but China is not Japan. As far as I know, they are not militarily occupied vassal states and their market is enormous to the point that they don’t need to cater to anyone. As long as the government is well-informed of what they are doing wrong and how to fix it, I have hope they will succeed and also influence other Asian nations to use similar strategies.


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    @secondstrike said in Asians in Asia cannot be relied on for media representation:

    @suiko_no_shin said in Asians in Asia cannot be relied on for media representation:

    Asians in Asia owe US a debt of gratitude. Not the other way around.

    I was mostly with you until you this. lol

    Ya, we know the devil better than Asians, but instead of writing them off as useless. We should simply educate them on how the game works. They have WAY more power to change things than we do. For example, China can use its market size to dictate the terms.

    You know another Asian country that had the power to change things than we do? Japan. They have a vice grip over the anime and video game markets but then LOST the video game market and in that entire time, managed to produce a generation of weeaboos and social justice warriors. Japanese AV produced (or converted) people into sexpats. In that large period of time, which harkens back to a time I was young, they failed to educate these people on Japanese culture, show real (or even virtual) Japanese people.

    The only game I can remember that showed Japanese was Final Fantasy X and that was IT. Tidus is widely considered to be the worst FF protagonist and you know another similar protagonist that people loved (even though they hated the game)? SQUALL, the white European designed character. I even made a thread highlighting the similarities of the characters and the hypocrisy of fans. The main difference between the two? Tidus is Asian and Squall is European. The same exact qualities they hated in Tidus, they spun into good things for Squall.

    Now we have this. We have bonafide actual white people in FF now. This is the same character designer who made Tidus and Yuna.
    kgffxv

    As of this moment, there is no good example of dominant Asian influence in the west leading to positive outlook on Asian Americans. Japan was the only one that managed to get any sort of market dominance and they failed. They completely sold out b/c all their works are fantasy. It’s easier to sell to people but at the same time, does absolutely nothing for anybody other than Japanese pockets. We’re still holding out hope for China b/c their talent consists of actual people but if Skiptrace is anything to go by, Hollywood will just use them up and spit them out. The Great Wall, directed by China’s top director, still managed to fit a white guy in the movie.

    The evidence is all there right in front of our faces. Asia will do nothing for us.


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    @suiko_no_shin said in Asians in Asia cannot be relied on for media representation:

    Asians in Asia owe US a debt of gratitude. Not the other way around.

    I was mostly with you until you this. lol

    Ya, we know the devil better than Asians, but instead of writing them off as useless. We should simply educate them on how the game works. They have WAY more power to change things than we do. For example, China can use its market size to dictate the terms.


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