#HyperMasculAZNs



  • John Cho recently did an interview with Vulture and said that:

    Particularly Asian men, I feel, we suffer more than Asian women, because we’re told we’re not worth anything in general.

    Twitter exploded with Asian American activists saying how John Cho should be checking his male privilege and that Asian American men can be misogynistic and oppressive of Asian American Women.

    What do you guys think? Are Asian American men oppressing Asian American women? If so, what’s the difference between toxic Asian American Masculinity and toxic Masculinity from other ethnic groups, particularly from white and black groups?

    In my humble opinion, I don’t think that targeting Asian American men specifically really does anything but further divide the Asian American community. Some have said that Asian American men model their masculinities off of white and black role models and thus overcompensate for being emasculated by western society in general. If this is the case, then shouldn’t we be focusing on the root of the issue, the emasculation of Asian American males and the dismantling of the white supremacist system that oppresses both Asian American men and women?

    I’ve heard some Asian American women say that Elliot Rodger and Daniel Holtzclaw are the product of toxic Asian Masculinity. Is this true?

    Once again, I have to disagree with this assessment, simply because these two half-Asian American men were products of parents that were a white father and an Asian mother. If these men really got their masculinities from Asian culture, it must’ve been from their mothers… If not, then they must’ve gotten them from their white fathers, making their attitudes white in nature. Rodger’s manifesto revealed how proud he was to be descended from British aristocracy and found Asian men hideously ugly. He was enraged at the sight of Asian men chatting up white women. He killed three of his Asian male roommates by stabbing them multiple times. Similarly, in interviews with his victims, they revealed that Holtzclaw raped them while asking them how they liked his WHITE penis inside of them. These men both clearly identified as white supremacist men.

    Some Asian American women say that Asian American men have “privilege”. Do you agree with this?

    Nope. Scroll down to “But Asian men are men therefore they have privilege and are part of the problem, aren’t they?”


  • Level 1 - Sergeant

    @Danger said in #HyperMasculAZNs:

    @suiko_no_shin hey suiko just saw your post, where was this screenshot taken? Would be interested in reading the thread

    keep in mind the original comments are not there
    https://www.reddit.com/r/asianfeminism/comments/4wp7gm/discussing_toxic_masculinity_misogyny_and/?sort=new


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    @suiko_no_shin hey suiko just saw your post, where was this screenshot taken? Would be interested in reading the thread


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    @suiko_no_shin ahh. Ya, I had hopes for that place too…


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    @secondstrike said in #HyperMasculAZNs:

    @suiko_no_shin The hypocrisy of a lot, not all Asian women.

    Where is the url?

    Didn’t mean all Asian women. I forgot to say that it’s from r/asianfeminism which is why I said hypocrisy of Asian women. It’s the toxic masculinity thread (#hypermasculazns) but I didn’t provide the link b/c the comments are deleted. That’s why I posted just the pics.


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    @suiko_no_shin The hypocrisy of a lot, not all Asian women.

    Where is the url?


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    Hypocrisy of Asian women. Of course they’d delete this b/c it turns their narrative upside down.
    r/af

    r/af2

    the thread is also a prime example of what and how they think. EVERY reply to them has been deleted for derailing and all that’s left is an echo chamber. It is impossible to reach them.


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    @siberiandragon Thanks for tackling this.


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    @secondstrike

    . I put it up on Twitter as well, so it hopefully it triggers a few Asian SJW morons.


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    @secondstrike said in #HyperMasculAZNs:

    @siberiandragon Good recommendation. I read the whole thing and made notes a while back. You’ll see in the upcoming Warning to Asian Females Expose. I always laugh when Am extremists say all Asian women are out to get them. I came across at least two major studies both by Af attacking white supremacy. Another is Asian American Sexual Politics: The Construction of Race, Gender, and Sexuality: Rosalind S. Chou.

    With the amount of anti-AM out there, can you blame them? We got framed FFS. If that’s not out to get us I don’t know what is. The feminists have retreated for the time being but when they come back, ya’ll gotta send them packing.


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    @siberiandragon Good recommendation. I read the whole thing and made notes a while back. You’ll see in the upcoming Warning to Asian Females Expose. I always laugh when Am extremists say all Asian women are out to get them. I came across at least two major studies both by Af attacking white supremacy. Another is Asian American Sexual Politics: The Construction of Race, Gender, and Sexuality: Rosalind S. Chou.


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    @natalie_ng They’re fairly rare, but they tend to be the only actually progressive Asian feminists who name their actual oppressors.


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    @siberiandragon That’s pretty awesome. I didn’t even know Asian feminists married to Asian men existed :O


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    @secondstrike Those are great articles. I also recommend reading White Sexual Imperialism by Sunny Woan, an Asian-American feminist professor married to a Asian man. It should be required reading for all Asian feminists.


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    wtf… these people are for real? goddang… only times I’ve ever seen “cis/trans”, “queer/hetero”, “him/her he/she his/hers” used in the same sentence were when such absurd ideas were being parodied lolz

    the cognitive dissonance really made me do a double take


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    Being a former member of Gamergate I do know how to handle this in a more civil way but I don’t want to lmao


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    Note: Forum corrupted so we lost a few posts. No big deal. I did save a backup image so you can continue where we left off.

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    @secondstrike I’ve dealt with these types before. Logic and reason does nothing to them. I’m just speeding up the process and putting them on notice.

    edit: My point was to show that they were bringing violence to my doorsteps and as they are putting my life on the line, I am fighting back and showing them they have no power over me.


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    @suiko_no_shin It is ammo. Look, I talked to Asian feminists and they quote some anecdotal event as if it’s representative of all Asian men while ignoring centuries of crimes by whites. Yes, crazy Af need to be silenced, but you can do that without looking misogynistic. I have seen the way they cherry pick angry reactions to their insane anti-Asian male hate speech. So, they remove all the context. I am sure they will take a snippet from you and then claim “look!!! so oppressive!”

    It’s just like Western imperialism. When they commit genocide, it’s called “humanitarian intervention”. When the locals try to protect their nation, it’s called terrorism by “insurgents”.


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    @secondstrike said in #HyperMasculAZNs:

    @suiko_no_shin I see. Best not to give them more ammo. Just expose their hypocrisy and ask them tough questions which they can’t answer. My goal is to make bystanders lose any confidence in their message and to discredit them - make them look crazy.

    It’s not ammo. These people need the abuse I’m giving them. If it wasn’t for Twitter getting in the way, they wouldn’t have safe spaces to crawl back to. Their voices need to be silenced.


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    @suiko_no_shin I see. Best not to give them more ammo. Just expose their hypocrisy and ask them tough questions which they can’t answer. My goal is to make bystanders lose any confidence in their message and to discredit them - make them look crazy.


  • Empress of War

    @secondstrike I agree. We shouldn’t be playing a defensive game in the first place. It’s better to continuously call out and attack their hypocrisy, logic fallacy, white-worship/self-hatred behavior. Hopefully, the more we expose them, the more likely that neutral bystanders will be able to recognize their lies.


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    @secondstrike said in #HyperMasculAZNs:

    @suiko_no_shin That’s a terrible idea. They’ll just cherry pick it and call it proof… What is your twitter? I will follow you.

    Too late. Shortly after I posted that my account got suspended. I find it suspicious btw. Anyways. I do have another account at @randomoaf but this one is anonymous so I’m not sure if I’ll use it for anything serious.


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    @suiko_no_shin That’s a terrible idea. They’ll just cherry pick it and call it proof… What is your twitter? I will follow you.


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    They wanted toxic masculinity and I gave it to them. None of them dared to dogpile on me. The hyper-masculinity thing is bullshit from the start. They don’t know what hyper-masculinity is. When they saw it for real, they froze up and did what they do best, retreat to their echo chambers and use block/mute functions. Funny thing is, no doubt I’ve been reported for the things I said, but despite that I haven’t been censored. No actions have been taken against me by Twitter.


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    We need to stop playing a defensive game. Constantly exposing the wrong type of Asian women as the last defenders of white supremacy is a good way to hurt their credibility and get others to see them for what they are instead of the post-racial / fighting da patriarchy narratives they’ve pulled over people’s eyes.


  • Empress of War

    I was trying to enjoy my friday night when I scrolled through twitter on my phone and saw this hashtag. To say that it sent me into an angry rage that boiled my blood hotter than South Carolina’s summer ever could is an understatement.

    What pisses me off the most is that there are neutral bystanders reading all of this and they will very easily be convinced of the existence of “toxic Asian masculinity” by the sheer number of Afs shitting on Asian men, even if these Afs use zero logic whatsoever (using wmaf hapas to represent all full Asian men, disregarding the fact that there’s also a lot of anti-Asian attitudes among the black community as well, disregarding the fact that Asian men are the least violent of ALL races in the west, etc…).

    I’m glad we were able to shout them down and as EurasianTiger pointed it out, by the end of the day, they were “wimpering” because they were completely incapable of countering with any logic or facts. Nonetheless, it still disturbs me the amount of likes/retweets their stupidity received. To me, that was pretty worrisome because it indicated the amount of supporters who agreed with them and/or the amount of people they managed to convinced.


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    @Danger If that is the case then we will win by sheer volume. Repeat memes until they sink in.


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    @secondstrike said in #HyperMasculAZNs:

    @Danger Their claims are absurd and anyone with half a brain would know this. The vast majority of women notice Asian men don’t even approach them let alone grope, harass, or sexually assault them. Some do of course, but it’s relatively rare. Their experiences contradict what these specific crazies say. We just need to add more proof and pressure and watch them crumble. That’s my take.

    You’re right about the absurdity, but from my experience people will see what they want to see when it concerns non-white people, especially when it comes to asian people and ESPECIALLY when it comes to Asian men. They don’t care about facts so long as it confirms their biases that Asian men are eeeevil misogynists even though white misogyny has had a much more devastating impact on the world.


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    @Danger IMO, it depends on how we respond to it. By putting them on the spot with tough questions, we can discredit them completely. Their claims are absurd and anyone with half a brain would know this. The vast majority of women notice Asian men don’t even approach them let alone grope, harass, or sexually assault them. Some do of course, but it’s relatively rare. Their experiences contradict what these specific crazies say. We just need to add more proof and pressure and watch them crumble. That’s my take.


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    @secondstrike no the original hypermaculazn campaign


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    @Danger You mean the asnidentity tweets?


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    @secondstrike That’s good stuff there. The sad thing is the only effect this twitter campaign will only have the effect of reinforcing the stereotype that Asian men are more misogynistic than whites, though I suspect some of them may actually be happy about it.


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    @Danger Yup, we cover that extensively in the unbrainwashing and FAQ sections, but it really comes down to extremely deluded parents who buy into the Western values nonsense and think white men are just like hollywood when they’re more wolves in sheep’s clothing. The lies are buried so deep as a result of our worthless leaders who for decades allowed these problems to fester and many were even complicit in perpetuating these lies.

    The most dangerous weapon is the double bind - see “double bind” near bottom of page.


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    @secondstrike It’s so funny, why don’t I ever hear internet Asian feminists talk about this stuff? Not once have I ever read an article or blog post fro an Asian e-feminist that talks about how white society tries to drive a wedge between asian men and women. In any case, while I do think they have a lot of valid arguments, they don’t understand that so called ‘hypermasculazn’ guys will always be around so long as the system of white supremacy that creates them still exists. In this case, calling on these Asian men to change will always fall on death ears. What they should be doing is railing against white supremacy. Moreover, they should also be starting a conversation on the amount of self hate that is prevalent among many Asian women nowadays. This is something I have never seen an Asian feminist do in all the years I’ve been watching this shit go down.


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    @Danger They do, but it’s not amplified enough.

    For example

    Asian Women: Rape And Hate Crimes | Jaemin Kim:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jaemin-kim/lets-call-it-what-it-is_b_163698.html

    Asian American Sexual Politics: The Construction of Race, Gender, and Sexuality - Rosalind S. Chou - Google Books:
    https://books.google.com/books?id=FaouIMuKoFoC&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false


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    Has there ever been a campaign by Asian feminists on twitter (or anywhere else for that matter) calling out toxic white masculinity?


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    @HanHuang I agree. A simple way to gain some mutual understanding between Asian men and Asian women is to ask “Do you want to trade places with my Asian male body?” Their silence will be instructive.

    Now, Asian women suffer in big and unjustifiable ways by the same group who oppress the entire Asian community. It’s in our best interest to work together and not be misled unproductively regurgitating orientalist stereotypes of foot binding bucktoothed Mongo hordes oppressing women.

    As for hapas like Elliot Rodgers and Daniel Holtzclaw, they are the product of a toxic anti-Asian male environment that was created and is still perpetuated by white men to the benefit of white men..

    edit: I found this great writeup that summarizes how the wrong types of so-called
    Asian feminists and Asian “progressives” hypocritically work against Asian interests.

    Here are some choice quotes

    So, what John Cho relates here is a very personal and profound concern for his son’s future sense of identity and well-being - in a culture that denigrates Asian males - that may even, perhaps, reflect some painful personal experience in his own past.
     
    The response from our self-righteous, moral teachers in Asian progressivism?
     
    Mockery.
     
    Yes, they mocked a guy with derogatory, racist memes about Asian masculinity for expressing a concern that he has for the well-being of his own kid. Need I say more?

    I came to realize that what we have here are a bunch of nobodies shitting on Asians who have achieved far more success than they could ever hope to attain. Just who are these people? Just how exactly have they advanced the Asian-American cause?
     
    By comparison, John Cho and Eddie Huang, by virtue of their achievements, have advanced Asian-Americans in the culture of America by light-years. Huang has written best-selling books that have inspired a television series - which in turn provided opportunities for more Asian-Americans to get a high-profile toehold in the acting profession where they are still largely discriminated against. Even before that, Huang was a cutting-edge chef and a media celebrity, whose extroverted personality probably encouraged more Asians to push the boundaries of limiting stereotypes than snide progressives ever could.

    Ben Efsaneyim: John Cho…:
    http://benefsanem.blogspot.ca/2016/08/john-cho.html

    Here are some rough tweets by asnidentity twitter. They are a bit rough in terms of delivery but they help expose the #HyperMasculAZNs hashtag and its proponents for what they really represent - anti-Asian male hatred disguised as progressive activism for Asian justice.

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    Notice, none of these fake activists can address the points raised. I encourage you all to follow asnidentitiy’s lead so neutral bystanders will see the other side of the debate and see through the self-hate, white worship that PAA [Progressive Asian Acivists] try to infect the community with.


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