Although the acknowledgement of fake news in the Western media is an overall victory [it kills their credibility], we should be clear that, like many rallies for “justice” by Whites [most White protests against the Vietnam War were to save white soldiers, not to stop the genocidal wars against the Vietnamese people], this wasn’t driven by morality or even a recognition of foul play. Rather, it was driven by the perceived betrayal of their own interests.
For years, their fake news put out anti-Asian and anti-poc propaganda. You can see the unbrainwashing section for a full list http://forum.asiansoul.org/category/28/unbrainwashing-bootcamp. White men were absolved of their crimes owing to “mental illness” and “self defense” like clockwork. These lies too, were accepted as objective news reporting. No problem there.
So, why this eruption of anger over fake news now? For the first time in their life, they have made the realization that their elites have turned towards plundering the nation itself at the expense of the populace - eg average Whites and their interests are being harmed. Whites refer to these things as “white genocide” and the media that provides cover for it, “fake news”. In the past, those were “other people’s problems” eg non-white people in places like Asia, South America, Africa, etc.
Indeed, a lot of mainstream news is fake, but that’s not what’s they’re mad about. Let’s be clear.
I have a random idea. I believe that every AA grew up in the US more or less have the experience of being bullied by whites (teachers, classmates or teammates) in the schools. Is it possible to use this forum to collect the racial experience and write to the major news media? Of course, we should ask for 1. plausibility of the story and 2. anonymity of submission (using some pseudonyms to replace real names).
Racism starts from childhood. If we can call out school racism in a large-scale, loud enough so that white America can’t turn a deaf ear to us anymore, we can force whites to make some change in the school system. I believe it will help alleviate race relation in the long run.
I agree that in every ethnic/racial group, women are working hard to close the gap of gender disparity.
However, I feel strange that people would view women of any race as victims under whatever framework.
For example, WF as members of white community, can claim innocence of racism because they are the victims of sexism imposed by WM. If anything regarding race relation went wrong, it must be the fault of WM. Nevertheless, I think sexism and racism are problems of different dimensions; the only thing these two issues have in common is any person believes in equal right should fight for.
I agree that negative stereotype, social engineering are mostly planned and executed by WM, but this does not justify “the perceived innocent” position of WF in racism. A WF can be victim in sexism and racist against people of color at the same time. For men of color, this is true in especially dating scene; arguably, AM have it the worst in some areas within Anglosphere. I myself as a FOB AM have very deep feeling after trying out local dating market in a very white region.
People who advocate innocence of WF explained that WF turn back on men of color in dating scene exclusively due to oppression imposed by WM. I believe this is to some extent true, but nowhere close to the major reason. The thing is WF buy and help propagate those negative stereotypes on men of color. It’s hard to take anti-miscegenation still socially exists against AM in the 21st century. Upon the racial disparity, I don’t see any clear pattern that WF show more empathy to POC than WM.
At the end of the day, both WM and WF are still whites. We can still communicate with white individuals who are interested in struggles of women of color and men of color, respectively. However, it’s not realistic to expect them to fight for us. Most of them simply don’t see much benefit to treat us better. Indifference would be the best gift from most of them. Ones who demonstrate mild attitude are already appreciated; it’s hard for us to ask more.
In comparison, women of color fall victim to both racism and sexism. Although AF practically enjoy more flexible mobility than AM in western society, this mobility derived from different degrees of racism imposed on AF and AM; one group is fetishized while the other group is emasculated. But frankly speaking, AF still suffer from sexism imposed by men of any race from time to time. Women of color, especially AF, are really the ones I should demonstrate full support.
Claiming Lus are majority of AF is simply not true; I don’t wish to magnify their importance, Lus are just pedestrians who may badmouth Asian (men) community sometimes. The harm on AZN caused by Lus are way less than that caused by white society. More controversially, I even don’t have much bad feelings about Lus compared to about WF. For me, Lus are simply soulless follower of WF, aiming to gain acceptance from white society. Most AF are lovely ones who have common visions of life with AM, and are worthy of spending future together. This is the argument from the bottom of my heart which I hesitated to tell in reddit. I am all for equality. Feminism is well-intentioned movement aiming for gender equality. I believe it’s not a zero-sum game between Asian feminists and AM; gender equality is not contradictory to Asian well-being. Truly, some AF throw themselves to WM in the name of feminism; but they are not representative in the demographics of AF. I believe Asian feminists have better chance to reach a win-win situation when cooperating with AM than with WM. Please acknowledge AM are born to cherish AF. How clueless most WM are to AF is just like how clueless most AM are to WF. Although I respect the liberty of interracial relationship, it should be initiated out of mutual respect and common interest rather than racial fetish or colonial patriarchy. Due to some reasons, the difference lies in AF are more tolerant to men from different culture than WF. I actually appreciate this quality and see AF as more open-minded than WF, although factor of social status should be taken into account.
Last but not the least, I don’t believe liberal whites are the greatest asset for any pan-Asian movement. The greatest assets are AF and AM who are willing to dig into the problem, speak out, work together to find a solution, and hand-in-hand build a better future. The greatest assets are Asians, despite most are not very aware of social issues, work hard to build the safety net for their families at the same time ensure the prosperity of Asian community. We might be minority in America, but we are majority in the world. Asians for the win.
Excuse me for my rant. This is anger section, isn’t it?
I read everywhere online about how AFs in WMAFs are bothered by seeing AMWFs. But what I never understood was why they were so bothered by AMs dating out if all they cared about were chasing WMs anyways? I can understand an AF who prefers only AMs getting bothered by AMWFs or AMXFs because they will perceive that as less choice of AMs in the pool to choose from and since they prefer AMs only, that’s understandable. But not white-worshipping Lus. That, I don’t understand. If anything, shouldn’t the Lus be happy for AMWFs since that would mean Asians are finally accepted by all whites if more and more wfs go for AMs? Isn’t being absorbed/assimilated by whites what they’ve always wanted?
Asian cultures have long been rooted in conservative ideology, due to having deep roots in Confucianism which emphasized the importance of nuclear families and how husband, wife and children support/respect each other. While many may argue that having our culture with its historical background within conservatism is “close-minded” or “backwards”, I’d argue against that since nuclear families had long been one of the cornerstones of civilization to begin with. Additionally, nationalism/racial homogeneity not only seeks to maintain our own culture as mainstream in our own (Asian) countries (by preventing multiculturalism), but it also seeks to reinforce that we do not racially mix, which for those who love our own racial features and see ourselves as the most attractive, is a good thing. Hence why I hope that Asian countries today are still as conservative as they once were. I do not want us to be overrun by groups of people who look nothing like us nor do I want our (Confucianist/nuclear family) culture completely replaced nor do I want lgbtq to be completely normalized (I have nothing against gays, but in my perspective, I see it as a mental disorder that needs to be treated as such, not normalized. That being said, I have nothing against gay marriage because I do believe even mentally ill individuals deserve the right to be happy). It would be devastating to see our ancestral lands to exhibit the same kind of western degeneracy that promotes women sharing the same restrooms with men who imagine themselves to be women or hatred of our own race touted as being “progressive.”
Note to @secondstrike , I realize this topic is very controversial and if you feel it’s best to remove it due to optic’s sake or whatnot, feel free to. I just wanted to post it here because some of us were talking about it in the slack but I felt the topic was too heavy to discuss it there.