Agree. I’m excited about this vision and want to make this happen in our lifetime. Not amused with the status quo and we will be the first minority group that recognizes that this kind of subtle oppression is ‘between the lines’ - it takes effort to find and effort to break. While some communities go at the eventual outcomes, we will attack it at the root. Re: de-program Asians, this will be interesting. To me, our bottleneck is reach. Hopefully, with the IQ firepower of this group, by focusing on it, realizing it is make-break to get this right; we will combine ideas with action, testing and iterating. Without this, all our ideas may be world-changing but will never reach enough people.
AMWF or AMXF will never be the same as WMAF because the women who get with Asian men are usually the ones who see past Hollywood Bullshit 101 whereas the non-Asian men who often get with Asian women tend to be the ones that embrace Hollywood Bullshit 101. One relationship is formed out of fetishism and stereotyping while the other is the complete opposite; seeing past stereotypes. Not only that, but because there is so much social stigma surrounding the idea of dating AMs, it takes a special type of woman to reject everything society told her about AMs as well as ignore disapproval from friends and family to be with an average AM. And not only that, but women who often get with AMs get harassed by men of other races so any relationship to occur between an average AM and non-Asian female IN SPITE of all of that is absolutely worth some respect.
Some may disagree with me on this but I have no problems with posting regular AMWF couples from IG as well as posting famous celebrity AMWFs. The reason for that being that too often, TRP/alt-right white men laugh at how easy it is for white men of any caliber (and I really do mean any caliber…from handicapped to old to obese) to get with an Asian woman. Showing very regular Asian men who are very average in terms of looks and money but who are still able to get a decent looking WF is a slap to the face of those white men. It’s essentially fighting fire with fire. Obviously, other benefits include showing young Asian guys that it’s still possible for them to be successful in love, in spite of the many obstacles they have to jump through.
Many of those who criticize constant AMWF posting often complain that there are not enough AMBF and AMLF posts to balance that out, which makes the OP appear “white-worshipping.” My argument to that is that yes, while AMBF and AMLF should also be encouraged, AMWF is the main focus primarily because of what I said previously in my 2nd point. White men are the ones laughing at our entire race (for how easy they can get the women and for how difficult it is for our men to get theirs), they are the ones spreading much of the racist bullshit about AMs to discourage other women from getting with them and they are our main oppressors. Showcasing AMs with BFs and LFs may be motivational in terms of encouraging AMs to put themselves out there more but it does absolutely nothing to hurt WMs. It does absolutely nothing to counterbalance the fact that WMs can still easily get AFs while still being racist pieces of shit to them at the same time. THAT is why AMWF is focused on and needs to be focused on so much.
For those who say by posting too much AMWF, we are uplifting WFs and giving them a status symbol; my counter to that is that half of the reason why WFs are assigned such a high status in society to begin with is due to the fact that not all men can get them while their men can seemingly get all women. If we can successfully show that AMs can get WFs easily as well as encourage that to happen irl, that will help rip away much of WF’s perceived status because then, it will show that all race of men can now get them while cucking WM to death. Cucking them to death will be made even easier if AMs manage to raise their status through all of this and turn many AFs from WMs while still being able to attract WFs.
And speaking of ripping away WFs’ perceived status, that leads me to another reason why AMWF/AMXF is not the same as WMAF. As unfortunate as it is, but the way society sees things is that men who are able to get many types of women are respected while women who get with many types of men are not as much. Not trying to slut-shame but just stating a fact as to how the world sees things. There’s a biological reason and societal history for this stigmatization of “easy” women but I’m not going to get into it here since it’s besides the point. The point is though, AFs make themselves easy for WMs and perhaps even for other non-Asian men but not for their own men. On the flip side, WFs are the complete opposite. Who do you think will get more respect automatically? On the flipside, any men able to get various types of women will instantly get more respect so really, promotion of AMWF harms nobody (except whites) and is only a win for our community because it shows AMs are worth respecting. So AMWF gets respect for our community, WMAF has the opposite effect, which are the major differences between the two. Also unlike BMWF where BFs are harmed/stepped on, AMWF has almost no effect or harm on AFs at all because due to media, stereotypes, or simply our skin color, etc…AFs are already considered very desirable.
Which, of course, leads me to my next point. AF privilege is a thing. It’s real and it’s a thing. Yes, I’m an AF and I’m willing to admit that. AF appreciation is all over the place—many of it may come from stereotyping and fetishization but that doesn’t negate the fact that we’re still being showed as sexually attractive. Why else do AFs get treated so much better than AMs? I have sped and ran traffic lights but the moment the black or white male cop pulls me over and sees I’m an AF, I get let go with nothing more than a warning. Can’t say the same for my husband and the tickets he received. Heck, you don’t have to look very far to see AF privilege is a thing. People often brush this sub off as filled with “angry, bitter men” but the moment I speak out for all of you guys here, I suddenly get an influx of support from liberals (Asian and non-Asian) in my private message inbox or on twitter. In fact, that is how white douchebags over at r.againsthatesubs often try to invalidate my words—by insisting that I’m an AM and can not possibly be an AF. They know that by dismissing my femaleness, they are able to render my words powerless and just paint me off as another “angry, bitter AM.” THAT is how strong AF privilege is, even to the point that some WMs at r.againsthatesubs are afraid of it. As a matter of fact, I’m almost certainly sure the reason why Jennifer Murphy who made her racist “Neenja” video got so much flak from other non-Asians was because there was an AF in her presence during the time she filmed it. Had that AF been an AM instead, I suspect things would’ve gone much differently. So it’s absurd to think that I (or other AFs) would feel “underappreciated” or neglected if I’m shown random pictures of men I don’t know with women I don’t know. A few AMXF posts does little to harm the pedestal that many AFs are placed on.
Even if there are some AFs who will feel alienated, at this point, do AMs really have anything to lose? When they’re already at the far end of the food chain in terms of dating? The only AFs I can imagine who may feel alienated are the ones that are on the fence of the situation, not the white-worshipping Lus (those will remain white-worshipping no matter what) nor the extreme anti-white worshipping ones such as myself and paintthefqnwalls but the ones that are neutral and/or completely naive about what’s going on. But with nearly 40% of AFs already marrying out (that’s not even including the ones cohabiting), will alienating a negligible few AFs in the hopes that one day, we’ll gain respect and dignity as a whole community worth it? I’d say so. Besides, if there are AFs out there STILL getting butthurt by the small amount of AMWF seen around the world despite the opposite being paraded everywhere and despite AF privilege, they probably have deep-seated issues that even therapists may struggle to help them with.
Last but not least, to expect AMs to stay loyal while 40% of AFs marry out is absolutely suicidal to our men. Promoting AMWF or AMXF will at the very least encourage younger AMs and let them know that they have options. Granted, it still is very difficult for AMs to date out compared to other men but when you’re raised in a society where all you see is your opposite gender counterpart (from friends to family) only dating people that does not look like you, it’s gonna take a toll on your self-esteem and psyche. Seeing AMWF or AMXF will at least counteract some of that and you’ve gotta be a real selfish, cruel and heartless individual to be against that. And really, if 40% of AFs don’t want AMs, then it’s really just basic human decency to be supportive/encourage AMs to find happiness and start families with other women. Promoting AMWF/AMXF will at least motivate some of our men who are feeling down about the dating scenario and as a community, their happiness should be our happiness.
To my AMs out there that are trying to sympathize with us when they expressed concerns about AMWFs making us lose our self-esteem, I really do appreciate it and I do thank you for your attempt to take our feelings into consideration. However, as a group, you guys are much more oppressed than I am, which is why I advocate that we concentrate on your issues first before we tackle mine (and other AF) problems. One thing at a time but together, I think we can make it
but really, it’s about discrediting them. To do that, basically hit them with the rebuttals from above but use lots of ridicule. Turn them into flat-earthers eg people think they’re totally insane.
Never let them get away with their wild claims disguised by lofty language. Ask them tough questions that they can’t answer.
the other thing worth doing is a case file for each foe. Eg Jenn Fang supported affirmative action against Asian interests [though, this is a grey zone due to different Asians like SEA who could use a boost], scapegoating Peter Liang, blaming hapa psychos like Elliot Rogers on Asian men instead of their hateful racist white fathers and the sickening emasculating society they built, never touching on imperialism / mass rape by white men, ignoring Black on Asian crimes, blaming Asians for anti-Blackness when it’s just a reaction to violence/crime, etc. This should be put into a resume like meme and spread around wherever these foes appear.
In other words, we failed to pinpoint bad behaviors destructive to our already fragile minority community, and decisively put our foot down upon those behaviors, or socially shame and penalize those types of behaviors. We failed to take charge of our social circles, even in pre-dominantly Asian enclaves. This is the reward for being respectful, wonderful, and caring. While trying hard not to be misogynistic, that label gets tacked on anyways. That’s because it’s not the guilty that gets tried for crimes, it’s the powerless that gets tried for crimes.
Has anyone ever heard of black men being stereotyped as misogynist? No. But in reality, what does lyrics in hiphop show us? Talking about women as if they are interchangeable, replaceable, disposable toys. The special term they have for women is “shorties”, I guess equivalent to the white term “chicks” and “bitches”(which begs the question, since when did Asian men coin derisive terms for women in America? So misogyny ehhh?) Black men had also been openly chauvinistic about black women dating other races (a micro-version of white men’s chauvinism and possessiveness over women of all races), while turning around to openly holler at other women. They can yell out “hey, shorty!” out in the streets, yet no feminists come in to shout them down. Through all this they somehow get a pass. Why is that? Sure, there might be grumblings from some black women about the deadbeat tendencies of black men, but those are miniscule complaints because the criticisms are only behavioral (and deadbeat guys apparently have no trouble finding mates to go deadbeat on anyways so no real criticism). This is in stark contrast to the genetic criticisms from Asian women regarding their male counterparts. The level of slander has no comparison in other minority groups.
This is a demonstration that overall,
women will only respect men who set boundaries and exert control over them (if not on the macro scale of greater society, then at least on the micro scale of everyday life). Laissez faire is interpreted as a sign of weakness (whether there is objective truth to it or not). They have more contempt for a morally just powerless man than for a morally degenerate man that exerts power in destructive ways, such as criminals.
They will save the most ball-chopping type of criticism and venom for the former, and only token complaints for the latter.
#When Asian-American men, already powerless on the macro scale, failed to exert any type of power on the micro scale by checking bad behavior in their own community, in their own social lives, that’s when they have damned themselves into oblivion with their own kindness.
Are there philosophical women who see past the outward trappings of power into the moral fiber of a man? Sure there are, but they are the exception rather than the rule, and no Asian man should center their life strategies around the luck of running into exceptions. This is not to say that only women are superficial. Fact is, most people in this world, men and women, are superficial (men manifest this bandwagoning aboard power in different ways as discussed elsewhere). So to close, we are so contemptuously despised by our female half not because we are repressive, but because we are so new-aged progressive to the point it threatens our own social existence.
P.S. - Lastly, inb4 someone says this is so “redpill”. This is merely common sense if one is observant enough of his own life experiences. The so-called redpill is nothing but a buzzword label seeking to hype a few common sense points about human behavior into an overly-inflated and overly-analyzed “body of knowledge” or “revelation”, a bandwagon upon which some lost souls in the First World can jump onto. I suppose a spot of cum I left on the hotel sheets can be over-analyzed into a “body of knowledge” as well if one puts his mind to it enough <shrugs>. But we’ll be doing ourselves a disservice if we shy from certain ideas formed from plain ole observation, just because some twerps slap a movie-copied label on those ideas and try to claim originality and ownership of them, common sense points about human nature that had been there since beginning of humanity.
At some point, we need to get real about consequences. I mean actually do it. We’ve had several opportunities to do things like go at David Bond’s ISP and get him banned - and we didn’t. We’ve had opportunities to flood media offenders with emails and we haven’t. One big win is what we need to convince Asians en masse this is possible. There are more radical methods which we should talk about privately.
I completely agree with OP. We should pick ONE target and method and go to work and succeed. Only one. Discuss options, pick one and go to work. Look the reality is we have to shame even our own for being slacktivists if when this target is selected, they do nothing. I would strongly recommend we don’t cast a wide net. Find one method that works and then rinse, repeat.